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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:29 am 
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i suspect its a seal issue.

Ditto.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:59 am 
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I won't comment on the OP's M4 review but I thought it strange when he said the M1 and M4 share the same thinner cable while praising the M2's cable. Unless Raz changed the cable on the M1 or M2 both my M1 and M2 cables are virtually the same cable.. In no way is the cable on my M1 thin like what's on my M4 and it's just like my M2's thicker cable.. I will agree with the OP about the M4's thin cable though as I much prefer the cable like the M1 and M2 have over what's on the M4 also..


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:35 pm 
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I also saw the comment on the M1/M2/M4 cable by the OP, the cable on the M1/M2 are the same, so maybe he got the the numbers mixed and meant M2 where is said M4.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:58 am 
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Been using the M4s for over a week now & can further add to the consensus that OP is having a seal issue. For my own part I wouldn't have believed it was possible to get such a good seal as I have got with the M4's Comply tips, though that said my IEM experience has mostly involved cheap & cheerful models prior to this so that probably doesn't mean much. The detail in the M4s, even at very low volumes is incredible, except in really noisy environments I've been using them at maybe 20% lower volume than with previous phones & can still pick out subtle details in the music better as they help convey strings & voices more realistically. Maybe they won't suit everyone but I'm personally delighted with them.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:44 am 
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I'm fairly certain this is just a troll thread. The condescension from this guy is overwhelming.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:20 pm 
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Inclinedtoknockmusic wrote:
Been using the M4s for over a week now & can further add to the consensus that OP is having a seal issue. For my own part I wouldn't have believed it was possible to get such a good seal as I have got with the M4's Comply tips, though that said my IEM experience has mostly involved cheap & cheerful models prior to this so that probably doesn't mean much. The detail in the M4s, even at very low volumes is incredible, except in really noisy environments I've been using them at maybe 20% lower volume than with previous phones & can still pick out subtle details in the music better as they help convey strings & voices more realistically. Maybe they won't suit everyone but I'm personally delighted with them.


Glad to read that you are enjoying them.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:33 am 
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Yeah, I'm not wasting my time on these things and this review...

Either my pair of Brainwavz M4 from MP4Nation were fake/defective (in both earpieces) or other people rating these so highly have been paid! Truly, shockingly, awful.

You know when you held a seashell to your ear as a kid? That's how these things sound - all 'swirly'. It's bizarre no one's mention it and how bad they are. It's pointless me going into detail about the sound of these, using pretentious word like 'soundstage', etc. They are, across the board, worse in every sound range than the Brainwavz M2! Why would anyone want to pay $10 more for the M4, when the only improvement they have over the M2 is the redesigned (spinable) clothing clip!? :lol:

There's something seriously wrong with the sound of these. In music/sound editors I believe the sound effect they create is called 'Flanger'. Basically, if you've ever sat inside a huge concrete construction tube, you'll know the noise - all hollow and airy/swirly, tubular!



Just my 2 cents on the above issue:

I just received my M4 tonight (mic version) and I immediately tried them with my S:Flo 2...well, my experience with M4 sound was all of a sudden very close to the one described above, if not worse (I would say worse, indeed).
However, it very soon turned out that there was a reason for that, and that reason lies in the particular connector (mini jack) needed for the mic version. Having to carry three signals (two audio output channels plus one voice input channel) this connector is phisically different from the standard stereo mini jack: it has three contacts + ground compared to two contacts plus ground of the standard one (you can see that by comparing it to any standard one).
While for M4 mic version universal mp3 player (thus stereo only) compatibility is claimed, it can happen that some player is not really compatible with this connector, as the contacs do not fall in the right place and do not match the internal contacs that they are supposed to match inside of the player. From this comes the distorced sound.
To check this, I tried the M4 with my smartphone, only to find that the distorced "fake" sound was gone and that the M4 where now doing the good job with the sound they are supposed to do (and I must say, I found them quite competent at that... :mrgreen: )

I don't know if the problem above comes from a mic equipped M4, I just wanted to share my experience with what seems a similar issue.
Hope this helps.

Just one last thing: sorry, but I have to remark that MP4Nation seem to have its fault here, as they didn't even bother to check the compatibility of the mic version M4 with their own players... tsk tsk :evil:


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:42 pm 
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If the M4 with Mic is used on a device that doesn't support the 3 stripe (TRSS) connectors then you will have one channel sounding very quiet. The S:Flo2 doesn't support mic earphones, any earphone with mic will have the same problem as you got when you used your m4.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:57 am 
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Yes, in fact I also tried another mic equipped earphones with the S:Flo with similar results.
It's not a big issue for me as I didn't get the M4 to go primarily with the S:Flo 2 (I got them for my phone), but I would have liked to use them with the S:Flo 2 as well, and I was not aware that the S:Flo 2 explicitly does not support TRSS connectors. This circumstance could have been emphasized more on the product page because it's something that could easily go unnoticed, or at least this has been my case.
However, I just wanted to suggest to the original poster that it's M4 may not be defective but just a case of wrong interface.
Bye :wink:

PS: by the way, as I hinted above, I liked very much the sound of the M4, especially compared to the price it is offered.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:33 am 
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You live and you learn ;) generally most mp3 players that are not from a big brand will not support TRSS connectors. Those mp3 players that do normally have that type of socket as the manufacturer either has or wants others to make and use earphones with remote control. The third ring isn't just for voice its also used for remote control functions.


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