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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:20 am 
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Truthfully, I kinda hoped that Mp4nation would list down some problems on the main site before actually selling it, so people will know what are they getting and what to expect.

On the other hand though, I believe that before buying products like these, we should all do our extensive homework ESPECIALLY for Chinese Electronics before putting down our cash to buy this product.
Personally I did my research 1 month ago before i purchased this device and im mentally prepared for the existing problems.
There's really a lot of forums about the MidNite/A81E, its really not difficult to find information around for these issues before you make your decision to get this.
I'm sure Raz did quote too : "its not perfect, its rough around the edges" in his video review

I dont believe that anyone mention anything about data entry at a reasonable speed bro, its more like you get what u press, u aim towards "A", u get an A, thats what it means by easy to type on, its at least better than my old SmartV5 on Android.

BTW The reason why there's no win7 on these devices, its due to the fact that the processor architecture is totally different, if they want to load a windows on this, most likely they would have to use intel/amd processors instead of ARM processors.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:22 am 
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Well suckers, after my initial problems with trying to flash incorrect firmware my MIDnite is now running at about 80% perfect. It's very stable. Most apps run pretty well. I'm not having much joy with RockPlayer so far, the vids I imported via Awesome Drop have all washy colours but the photos are fine through Gallery. I also haven't managed to lock in my position via GPS since reflashing. Driving around in the car seemed to do the trick last time.

Gmail is perfect as is Dolphin Browser HD, SmartBar, Launcher Pro, RotateD. I also have no problem with the screen. It's different to my iPhone but just requires a finger nail or the stylus - not that hard to do it slightly differently.

I'd love to me able to plug in a USB stick & watch movies, still working on that, meanwhile I have my Ainol P810 (rooted version) - where I come from rooted means farked!

Awesome Drop is fantastic Huggy should get that on his top 5 IMO.


Glad it worked out fine for you bro :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:26 pm 
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Nah, friend, I'm not buying an Ipad to please you lolll. I like to have a microsd slot and freedom in terms of codecs etc. Maybe an ExoPc... ??!!

Someone said it, it's not because a review is in depth that someone should believe or agree to it. But then again, belief and "truth" are made of a string of experiences. Common sense is always required. But that was beside the point. My point was rather that it was unlikely that a particular person would intentionally badly use a product then wine about it. In fact my comments are not geared towards this particular product, I don't own a tablet, and I have no business interest in the field. It was more a rant about the fanboys in relation to a new product, with some comments on the segment and business model. Elitism? lolll. Somewhere between elitism and low standards there's a balance lolll. You just make your own mind that's all, nobody has to be or write in such in such a way to please someone else. The device's fate doesn't rest solely on one's comment. What's low standard is some fanboys' stance on hot products! When you want to buy you want to know what works and what doesn't, not some fanboy's take on what a product could have should have would have been if.

My experience with the site is positive and I took great care not to judge the site itself or a product I don't own and can't review. I bought some time ago a good ol OS72HR. Build quality is surprising, sturdy, no touch screen there but lots of metal, glass screen, a console looking UI (thumbs up, I have no use for fancy oses if I want to play AVI and mp3). Delivery was fast, all was included in the box. It may be that a tablet with a more complex OS requires a bit more in terms of upfront information than mp4 players needed for someone to make an informed decision. It's important to better manage the user expectations and experience in order to maintain the reputation for a specific brand in a fast moving segment. That's my take on it.

A stupid question maybe but why not just put Win7 or Ubuntu on those devices?? Android is as much made for tablets as those 2 as far as I know. Android is transitional. There's nothing like off topic.

Finally, I'm quite curious about this technique you guys seem to have: data entry at any reasonable speed on a resistive touchscreen using fingernails!! (Please post your video links galore!!!)


its is a poor review, not because of the content but because of the attitude of the user. the tone is almost condescending and sarcastic right from the beginning.

the user says he uses a motorola cliq but if he used the touch panel on that in the same way he uses it on the device ive no doubt he would see exactly the same result.

when trying to "unlock" the screen, his finger almost lifts off the device as he moves his finger up.

even when hes waiting for an app to load up he says out loud "waiting, loading, loading" as though its taking forever.

the entire tone of the review is condescending.

the content about what he describes are the problems have been mentioned about before, so it not what hes talking about, but the manner of how he talks about it.

his opinions are his opinions, but like i said, as reviews go, its a poor review.



Yes, the guy has some "attitude", but I found it quite entertaining honestly, and as I said there was a lot of real usage of the device, which I find is lacking. The tone of a review makes for a poor rationale in evaluating its value. A condescending attitude is irrelevant in terms of content. Fanboyism is condescending too, plus it doesn't help in understanding a real experience with a particular device for a particular user. Maybe there's nothing new in his comments but I just thought his expectations weren't properly managed - as demonstrated by the tone you noted.

But we got off topic. He made his review, of course heavily underscoring what wasn't on par with what he expected but his proficiency was irrelevant. Look at this thread "Midnite users start here" and you see a guy trying to put together all the links and all the patches, and state what apps work etc. Why should someone dig in all the topics to find tidbits of info, scarce and varying reviews etc. Each device should maybe have a main post using a standard template (ROMS, working apps, howto backup, list of fixes, know bugs) irrespective of topics, that contains all the links, pointing to the specific posts that settle an issue. This post shouldn't be editable by anyone else than the admin team (enough of the fanboys comments praising a rom, a guy, the moon, whatever...). The product page should link to that core post in the forum for such and such a device. It may also be time for some structured hosting of the support files... and some delivery mechanism maybe eventually. Fanboys hamper the search for all this info turning forums into a sea of useless comments and uninteresting drama!

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Mystre_ron, yeah thanks for your input. I don't know nothing about data entry performance on any tablets, so my question may not have been relevant. But contrary to what you said, I really doubt that OS choice is so much based on CPU architecture, and linux runs on lots of cpu arch anyways. I think its this madness about Android. My point was just that another less trendy OS might yield different results...

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"Fanboy is a term used to describe a male who is highly devoted and biased in opinion towards a single subject or hobby within a given field." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy. So finally, to thin out the herd, I think fanboyism should yield an immediate ban from forums!

Thank you!

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:44 pm 
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Yes, the guy has some "attitude", but I found it quite entertaining honestly, and as I said there was a lot of real usage of the device, which I find is lacking. The tone of a review makes for a poor rationale in evaluating its value. A condescending attitude is irrelevant in terms of content. Fanboyism is condescending too, plus it doesn't help in understanding a real experience with a particular device for a particular user. Maybe there's nothing new in his comments but I just thought his expectations weren't properly managed - as demonstrated by the tone you noted.

But we got off topic. He made his review, of course heavily underscoring what wasn't on par with what he expected but his proficiency was irrelevant. Look at this thread "Midnite users start here" and you see a guy trying to put together all the links and all the patches, and state what apps work etc. Why should someone dig in all the topics to find tidbits of info, scarce and varying reviews etc. Each device should maybe have a main post using a standard template (ROMS, working apps, howto backup, list of fixes, know bugs) irrespective of topics, that contains all the links, pointing to the specific posts that settle an issue. This post shouldn't be editable by anyone else than the admin team (enough of the fanboys comments praising a rom, a guy, the moon, whatever...). The product page should link to that core post in the forum for such and such a device. It may also be time for some structured hosting of the support files... and some delivery mechanism maybe eventually. Fanboys hamper the search for all this info turning forums into a sea of useless comments and uninteresting drama!

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Mystre_ron, yeah thanks for your input. I don't know nothing about data entry performance on any tablets, so my question may not have been relevant. But contrary to what you said, I really doubt that OS choice is so much based on CPU architecture, and linux runs on lots of cpu arch anyways. I think its this madness about Android. My point was just that another less trendy OS might yield different results...

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"Fanboy is a term used to describe a male who is highly devoted and biased in opinion towards a single subject or hobby within a given field." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy. So finally, to thin out the herd, I think fanboyism should yield an immediate ban from forums!

Thank you!



I think you have demonstrated that you're a "Fanboy" of this thread and probably sparkleforce himself!

sparkleforce... really... SPARKLEFORCE... Now that's a username! :shock:

:lol: :P :lol:

Just joking around! It's late, I'm tired. :)

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sad_user wrote:
Fanboys hamper the search for all this info turning forums into a sea of useless comments and uninteresting drama!

Agreed.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:45 pm 
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Mystre_ron, yeah thanks for your input. I don't know nothing about data entry performance on any tablets, so my question may not have been relevant. But contrary to what you said, I really doubt that OS choice is so much based on CPU architecture, and linux runs on lots of cpu arch anyways. I think its this madness about Android. My point was just that another less trendy OS might yield different results...


The reason why there's no windows for ARM: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-no-windows-7-for-arm-based-netbooks-for-now/2953?tag=rbxccnbzd1

There are many distributions of Linux, and they did try one out before, remember the SmartQ7 or V series? some people do not really know how to use the linux platform efficiently as its not as easy to use as Android or IOS

Android is a fast growing OS, with a growing number of apps and developers, becoming a fast improving and rather easy to use platform, of course since its more or less a easily moddable platform, the developers just hopped on to it, big players like Cowon and even samsung are slapping android into their devices.

but i do agree with you is that a different os, even win ce will yield better result, i remembered Win CE was awesome on my old V5, yet its pretty poor in Linux and Android though.

Its not really irrelevant actually, some of my friends did ask me that before... but trust me bro, doing data entry on a tablet is asking for yr fingers to cramp up, the last time my friend wanted to be adventurous and tried keying in a long list data onto his iPad, his fingers cramped up and we had to bring him to the doctor, since then, he's been using a keyboard instead.
A touchscreen KB, no matter how good, will never beat a physical KB in my opinion :mrgreen:

Anyway guys, i think we(even me) are drifting off topic, this is about sparkleforce's review, not debating about fanboyism!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:33 am 
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This is all very reminiscent of my impressions of the original wits a81. I would have written a very similar review when I got it. Funny thing is, even though they never finished it (the last update to the firmware was missing many 'features' like sound lol), I figured they would do a much better job the second time around, so I foolishly bought the a81e (midnite). I must be a complete idiot, but there you go :o ops: . To the person who said that we should not expect anything for $200, that is bull. This thing has been in prototype since NOVEMBER 2009, when they came out with the first version. They could not get it to work properly, so they 'fixed' the hardware and dumped their customers with a piece of garbage (the a81e firmware does not work on the old a81). Well I guess the sound now works on the new one lol.

I waited until June 2010, eagerly expecting the next firmware release to fix those annoying little problems with the original a81, so it was too late to expect an refund since I bought it in 2009. BUT, i can tell you if the next firmware For the a81e does not have flash, a working battery meter, sleep mode, and they do not fix the numerous annoying 'little' glitches like random re-booting, and the pathetic battery life, I am returning mine for a refund. This is just too much Deja-vu.

And for those of you who respond with, 'but there is an answer to this or that problem', THAT IS NOT HOW THE DEVICE was sold.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:57 pm 
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This is all very reminiscent of my impressions of the original wits a81. I would have written a very similar review when I got it. Funny thing is, even though they never finished it (the last update to the firmware was missing many 'features' like sound lol), I figured they would do a much better job the second time around, so I foolishly bought the a81e (midnite). I must be a complete idiot, but there you go :o ops: . To the person who said that we should not expect anything for $200, that is bull. This thing has been in prototype since NOVEMBER 2009, when they came out with the first version. They could not get it to work properly, so they 'fixed' the hardware and dumped their customers with a piece of garbage (the a81e firmware does not work on the old a81). Well I guess the sound now works on the new one lol.

I waited until June 2010, eagerly expecting the next firmware release to fix those annoying little problems with the original a81, so it was too late to expect an refund since I bought it in 2009. BUT, i can tell you if the next firmware For the a81e does not have flash, a working battery meter, sleep mode, and they do not fix the numerous annoying 'little' glitches like random re-booting, and the pathetic battery life, I am returning mine for a refund. This is just too much Deja-vu.

And for those of you who respond with, 'but there is an answer to this or that problem', THAT IS NOT HOW THE DEVICE was sold.


True, though I dont really have random rebooting, the lack of a working battery meter is really annoying me, the least they could do is have a working battery meter, if the next FW doesnt have a working battery meter AT LEAST, I'm switching to an Archos 70.
The MidNite is lovable, but annoying at the same time

Raz, if Wits doesnt buck up and fix problems that SHOULD be fixed, the consequences will the same as the aPads you sold previously,
I would recommend you would need to exert quite a bit of pressure on them. :?

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Re: Battery issue
Raz has already said that he's mentioned the issue to the factory, and that a new firmware is in the pipeline.
In the meantime there's a little fix that may work: http://www.slatedroid.com/nationite-midnite-android-tablet-discussion/7053-automatic-battery-level-update.html ... however I've read some (uncomfirmed) reports that it doesn't work for the latest version.


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zuber5 wrote:
I must be a complete idiot, but there you go :o ops: .

I would maybe advise that next time you use your wits! It was fanboysm on your part, if you don't mind me saying, that made you act like that. Lessons must be drawn from this! You should do a full review of the device like Sparkleforce and leave no detail undocumented. A video review is also a plus!!

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Re: Battery issue

The DIY I spotted, page 2 of the thread on Battery life Indicator Problem works for all versions and takes care of that. As soon as the red light turns on, you can use the crank to save your apps!!!

Cheers!

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